(Bob Norwood), That is kind of what I was thinking but if the rod is 7'6", that is 90". Besides, he's a fun guy to chat with about almost anything to do with fly fishing and the outdoors. 0.278 They were both practicing engineers! You can vary the slope to get the "speed" you want (Garrison's are .013/5"; a B-9 .015/5"; and I've built them as fast as .018/5"). by avyoung 06/17/16 00:43, Post (Paul Blakley), I have a taper for the Dickerson 7613 and am a little confused. Casting range allows for some delicacy up close and personal, to the times that you want to reach out and touch someone a bit further away. Dickerson Rods For Sale And well worth the little time it takes to execute. 30 0.151 166917 Using too small a ferrule may be a factor. Easy casting and very versatile. As Lou points out, it is nicest with the kind of ferrule Dickerson made himself. (Greg Reeves). Even if EC did "compound" his B-9 taper just in front of the ferrule for a specific reason, it wouldn't negate the fact that this is AT HEART A STRAIGHT TAPER. Though the course may change sometimes, rivers always reach the sea. Cynically, but I may not have entirely given up, yet. 0.168 To the right of that you'll see there is a column allowing for varnish. Find great quality fly fishing rods at an affordable price that fits any budget. is obviously your opinion, which you are entitled to. 80 0.296 121171 I measured the rod after seeing David Ray's posting of an 861711 in his taper library that is accessed from Hexrod. Because Ritz was not an engineer, any more than Creusevaut or Plantet were (although the latter may have been a competent mechanic) it was thought that the extension pole should be just that, a large diameter pole of slow taper. In fact I've just made a new tip for it as the original developed a kink when being cooked to set off the UHU which no amount of ironing will remove. I have modified these tapers to adjust them for what I think is a more modern feel. One of my favorite rods is a linear taper with a "slope" of .290/100". As Will predicts, this is a very pleasant and easy rod to cast. Removing material in the center creates a hinge aiding in roll casting ability (thank you Harry for that bit of information). In fact, if you want to design a cane "Parabolic" which will perform as Ritz wanted all you have to do is choose a tip taper you fancy and plonk it out on the end of a fast taper hollow built butt of whatever length you fancy. It's an Asian knockoff of a Dickerson 7012 4WT 7-0 taper. I Have commented additionally, if trivially in a private post on the other points. 0.232 Solid construction of suitable solidity involved unattractive weight penalties. 65 0.248 134403 Or, if these are not good tapers for this, any suggestions as to which tapers would be? Conversely, the .202 is at the low end of fit for a 14/64. Looking at the 5" dimensions for the Dickerson 7613 (1970 taper), there is a big swell under the grip. Don't leave us hangin' here with a sniper shot and leave ;-) (Mark Wendt), Truth be known, I prefer Payne to Dickerson. (Jerry Foster), Where do you get that? It was normal at the time to fit ferrules to the tip and undercut the butt to fit. 0.369 (Al Baldauski). Made by Top Ten Tapers in Twinsburg, Ohio. I've built this one which was posted to the rodmaker's listserv years ago. Are there specific numbers at the ferrule for, say, an 8013 where a 14/64's ferrule is used? I'm probably going to have to find a use for one as it happens as a design for a 7'6'' #4 that is nearing ringing looks a bit beefy for a #4. (Bob Norwood). The Garrison tip would be .078, B-9 tip would be .059, and a fast .018/5" drop a tip of .035. Taxes and shipping calculated at checkout, Browse our bamboo fly rods in stock and available now, Browse our collection of reels in stock and available now. . I do find that I am using much shorter rods than I did, I think its the American influence of this Listserv! Assuming this to be thus you have made adjustments so small that they are mostly below normal error, and if we allow a factor for variation in natural materials then the exercise becomes entirely futile except as an exercise in applied physics! 40 .200 .070 So I thought I would answer that question and build one. .212 is way too big for a 13/64, it's well into the 14/64 fit range. In practice most people these days do not take well to these technically correct ideas, preferring a slope to the straight line, giving higher strain levels near the tip, i.e. 2 wt 0.0585 8 wt 0.0830 (Reed Guice), Dickerson used the ferrule sizes in the rod to denote both the ferrule and the number of pieces in the rod. I have a tough time roll casting over about 65' with any rod, no matter how long or limber. Over the last few days there has been a long thread about rods breaking at the female ferrule. I am sure there are situations where a bit more length would be helpful, but who am I to argue with Mr. Dickerson? It does handle a 7 very well too. That's so the swell is still in the action length. (Robin Haywood). Modified Lyle Dickerson 6611 Dry-Fly Action: 6' 6" 3 or 4: 11/64: 2/2: P702: Ponds, creeks . 0.111 There are many ways to skin this cat. Starting at a tip dimension specific to a given line weight you add diameter to the length of the rod in linier increments until you reach the rod length you want. Right, I've printed that off and made a brief study. This is, of course, wildly unsatisfactory, but all attempts to reduce the problem seem to last for only a short time. Pt 0 is the butt side of the strips. (Robin Haywood). (Steve Weiss), Good idea, Steven, but you would have get in line behind me and one of my Garrisons. $95.00 There are several different specs for this taper out there, three of which I use. 65 0.2565 Lyle Dickerson (Michigan) Another maker who knows Dickerson tapers very well is Rick Cunningham. It made a fine rod, but you have to smooth out the taper leading into and out of the 45 and 50" stations as the rod was designed for a step down ferrule. My original point, with which you took issue, was: I just wanted to make the point that there's a difference between a rod with a straight taper and one with a straight, flat stress curve. (Will McMurrey). by canerodscom 05/09/09 02:32, Post Sold Out $4,050.00 Description Particulars For your consideration is a Lyle Dickerson model 8013 bamboo fly rod made in 1948. 40 .202 .375 (Stephen Dugmore). "God made dogs to steal our hearts and they do.". the all-around trout rod out here in the Western US. (Bret Reiter), I call this one a seven too. A significant part of that application are the prejudices of the person who is going to be using it. Its definitely a bigger water rod that the 7613. It has a butt swell of about .070 also. I always use Super Z, but I am not really into creating exact reproductions. by bluesjay 06/19/16 13:59, Post For example, the 8013 taper I use is .202 at the ferrule end of the tip, and .212 at the ferrule end of the butt. (Paul Blakley), I think a 7'6'' rod is short for any line weight. I think I originally posted this taper as Russ personally sent it to me. 0 .326 .180 He took the first step to improving them, inadvertently, you say, by fining down the tips. Gary - The following taper was taken from a varnished 8013. Tel: 802-362-3300, Summer Dickerson Rods. If you move it up to the mid section you might add a hinge that gets involved in the normal cast.. which is usually to be avoided. Powered by Shopify. Garrison's are straight except for the last 15 inches which he "fudged" to accommodate one of the standard tip top sizes. Ephemera, empherma and Ephemerella.. Photos, paintings, written stories and talents. 60 0.242 Maybe it is the version of the taper they are making, there are several out there. Determine the effect of adding or subtracting material as to what effect it will have on rod action, we can design rods for a specific purpose. Pezon/Michel. In the hands of a good caster, this taper will make a fly line do things that amaze. Post How would you characterize their casting characteristics? Garrison would have like straight line stress/strain results for the same reason Richard Walker did. As long as a maker includes the correct ferrule drop, Dickerson tapers are no more difficult to make than most others. I did subtract the .006 when I made mine and I love it as I do every Dickerson taper that I've cast. I only use short rods on overgrown streams. The swell should start in front of the cork, at least 3" to 5". (Mark Dyba), Heh, nothing wrong with that. No Question about it, John Pickard. 0.189 (Peter Jones) Can you direct me to where I can find more information on this? 0.088 (Frank Stetzer, Hexrod, Taper Archive, Rodmakers Archive), I'm grateful to you for that point because a recent post referred to straight taper Garrisons and I wonder if he meant straight stress "curves". (Mark Dyba), Okay, to continue the discussion, what are they, and why? Why do you think a7'6" rod is short for a #5 ? 4 wt 0.0680 The only limit you have in this process, you can't change the tip diameter because you would be changing the line weight of the rod. (Frank Stetzer, Hexrod, Taper Archive, Rodmakers Archive), As far as being a Straight horizontal Stress Curve it makes NO difference what the rod is as long as the conditions produce a SHSC. Especially if you know how the rods actually cast. Summers & Co. - Womens Sports ApparelBob with Granddaughter Cara FlyfishingGreat Brown, Rainbow and Cutthroat Fly FishingOutdoor Writer and Used Book SalesFishing and Wing Shooting Guide ServiceGreat Lakes Charter FishingSporting JewlerCustom GunsmithingFine Hand EngravingFine Reel & Rod Cases, 90 River Road, EastTraverse City, Michigan 49696 USAPhone/Fax (231) 946-7923bobsummers@charter.net, 2222 - 7. (Jerry Foster), For some applications, like fishing dries from a drifting boat, it could be even a bit short. Lyle Dickerson Spurred into rodmaking by losing his job in the great depression, Lyle Dickerson would go on to become one of the masters of the craft. Information About Makers and Manufacturers, Appraisals & Identification of Bamboo Fly Rods. 45 .216 .375 Experience the difference of a Mystic Fly Rod on your next expedition. Just for once I'm going to recommend a step down ferrule! Leonard patent, I believe. Take a virtual tour of our terminal and view our campus map. The line was a Scientific Angler's WF7 in their XXD (distance) format. Only lost 1/2 inch in rod length. 5 0.088 112541 (Will McMurrey), A picture says a thousand words. (Robin Haywood), This would be very easy, but would impact on other desirable qualities. If you want to adjust for a different varnish assumption, or if you want to interpolate differently, then our actual measurements are there for you (or anyone, of course) to do so. CSE makes and sells this kind of "step-down" ferrule, from tubing, as Dickerson did. by thramerrods 06/17/16 04:28, Post 6 wt 0.0752 Made 4 or 5 of the lighter. if you were to use this type of ferrule, you might choose one that has a 13/64ths opening on the top, and a 14/64ths opening on the bottom. 25 .160 .308 (Tom Peters), Dickerson used step down ferrules, use a CSE Step down to recreate that Dickerson classic action. 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